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	<title>Comments on: Lars Von Trier at Cannes 2011 –The End of the World?</title>
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		<title>By: nickp</title>
		<link>http://www.toonaripost.com/2011/06/entertainment/trier-steals-spotlight/#comment-1613</link>
		<dc:creator>nickp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Oct 2011 23:50:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Funny, because I found that when I instinctively reached for a framework within which to grasp what I felt after seeing Melancholia, I came up with heidegger.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Funny, because I found that when I instinctively reached for a framework within which to grasp what I felt after seeing Melancholia, I came up with heidegger.</p>
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		<title>By: Ozlem Onder</title>
		<link>http://www.toonaripost.com/2011/06/entertainment/trier-steals-spotlight/#comment-811</link>
		<dc:creator>Ozlem Onder</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Jun 2011 20:59:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[and yes by the way, i did not have the impression that you&#039;re judging von Trier at all, i think i got your point, but  the expression of &quot;wicked and abominal convictions&quot; made me think. and I enjoyed your article very much, since it made me think on the issue even more:) ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>and yes by the way, i did not have the impression that you&#039;re judging von Trier at all, i think i got your point, but  the expression of &quot;wicked and abominal convictions&quot; made me think. and I enjoyed your article very much, since it made me think on the issue even more:) </p>
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		<title>By: Ozlem Onder</title>
		<link>http://www.toonaripost.com/2011/06/entertainment/trier-steals-spotlight/#comment-810</link>
		<dc:creator>Ozlem Onder</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Jun 2011 20:42:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I mentioned those names, because their philosophies are being associated with Nazism which I don&#039;t agree, even in the case of Heidegger (well at least I don&#039;t think he was an anti-semitist). It&#039;s obvious that von Trier is facing the same accusations as well. 
But well it&#039;s always been a matter for me that, how can we make a proper distinction between their philosophies/art works and their personalities/choices?  So as you mentioned, I can&#039;t use Heidegger&#039;s philosophy to justify his choices (since I can&#039;t trace the differences), but maybe I can try to understand the situation of a man who lived in times of crisis, between two world wars, by seizing his pure ontology apart from any kind of ethics and morality. Maybe that was von Trier&#039;s approach as well, but he was not successful to make his point at all, unfortunately. ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I mentioned those names, because their philosophies are being associated with Nazism which I don&#039;t agree, even in the case of Heidegger (well at least I don&#039;t think he was an anti-semitist). It&#039;s obvious that von Trier is facing the same accusations as well.</p>
<p>But well it&#039;s always been a matter for me that, how can we make a proper distinction between their philosophies/art works and their personalities/choices?  So as you mentioned, I can&#039;t use Heidegger&#039;s philosophy to justify his choices (since I can&#039;t trace the differences), but maybe I can try to understand the situation of a man who lived in times of crisis, between two world wars, by seizing his pure ontology apart from any kind of ethics and morality. Maybe that was von Trier&#039;s approach as well, but he was not successful to make his point at all, unfortunately. </p>
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		<title>By: Elena Pinnen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Elena Pinnen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Jun 2011 19:30:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[oops, Nietzsche... ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>oops, Nietzsche&#8230; </p>
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		<title>By: Elena Pinnen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Elena Pinnen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Jun 2011 19:28:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hi Ozlem, thank you very much for your comment.  
 
However, since it is a very thorny question, I feel the need to make some clarifications. 
This article was not about whether the philosophers you mentioned &#8220;were against Jews&#8221; or not, but about how to conciliate art and disquieting political beliefs. I mean, should I close my eyes in front of a work by Speer? Can&#039;t I love Pound? Nonetheless I hate them as human beings.  
 
As far as Nietzche is concerned, you are absolutely right, but regarding Heiddeger, I&#039;d not use his philosophy to justify his choices: we are not dealing with just a &#8220;mistake&#8221; men can come to be open to. And he is one of my favorite philosophers being a real genius, but it remains a fact he could not reply anything to Celan asking him a simple question: &#8220;Why?&#8221;. 
 
Anyway, in my article I didn&#039;t want to judge Trier (that I truly love) saying if we should support or condemn him, but I tried to speak about art and how some understandable historical taboos sometimes confuse us. And I agree about Dunst: yes, she was not laughing because she was understanding deeply, I think. 
 
Hope you enjoyed my article. 
 
Elena ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Ozlem, thank you very much for your comment. </p>
<p>However, since it is a very thorny question, I feel the need to make some clarifications.</p>
<p>This article was not about whether the philosophers you mentioned &ldquo;were against Jews&rdquo; or not, but about how to conciliate art and disquieting political beliefs. I mean, should I close my eyes in front of a work by Speer? Can&#039;t I love Pound? Nonetheless I hate them as human beings. </p>
<p>As far as Nietzche is concerned, you are absolutely right, but regarding Heiddeger, I&#039;d not use his philosophy to justify his choices: we are not dealing with just a &ldquo;mistake&rdquo; men can come to be open to. And he is one of my favorite philosophers being a real genius, but it remains a fact he could not reply anything to Celan asking him a simple question: &ldquo;Why?&rdquo;.</p>
<p>Anyway, in my article I didn&#039;t want to judge Trier (that I truly love) saying if we should support or condemn him, but I tried to speak about art and how some understandable historical taboos sometimes confuse us. And I agree about Dunst: yes, she was not laughing because she was understanding deeply, I think.</p>
<p>Hope you enjoyed my article.</p>
<p>Elena </p>
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		<title>By: Ozlem Onder</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ozlem Onder</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Jun 2011 18:13:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Neither Nietzsche nor Heidegger were philosophers against Jews. What i personally think, Nietzsche&#039;s philosophy associated with Nazism because he wasn&#039;t a systematic philosopher. He always wrote in fragments, so people could easily manipulate his words. Heidegger&#039;s situation might be different since he was a party member and he actually backed up Hitler (still i don&#039;t think he had something against Jews), but after a while he resigned and had many issues with Nazis. But he never truly admitted that he has done wrong (you may check his interview with Der Spiegel- Only God Can Save Us), but he made us sense that people are open to anything, even to make mistakes, and when we think of his philosophy it really makes sense. When it comes to von Trier, do we really have to defend him or be against him? His art actually discloses itself, like Nietzsche&#039;s and Heidegger&#039;s thinking. I have to admit though, he couldn&#039;t make his point at the press conference, like he said, and it turned out to be a disaster. So i agree with Dunst actually, and probably she was the only one in the press conference that showed her reaction instead of laughing to von Trier&#039;s &quot;jokes&quot;. ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Neither Nietzsche nor Heidegger were philosophers against Jews. What i personally think, Nietzsche&#039;s philosophy associated with Nazism because he wasn&#039;t a systematic philosopher. He always wrote in fragments, so people could easily manipulate his words. Heidegger&#039;s situation might be different since he was a party member and he actually backed up Hitler (still i don&#039;t think he had something against Jews), but after a while he resigned and had many issues with Nazis. But he never truly admitted that he has done wrong (you may check his interview with Der Spiegel- Only God Can Save Us), but he made us sense that people are open to anything, even to make mistakes, and when we think of his philosophy it really makes sense. When it comes to von Trier, do we really have to defend him or be against him? His art actually discloses itself, like Nietzsche&#039;s and Heidegger&#039;s thinking. I have to admit though, he couldn&#039;t make his point at the press conference, like he said, and it turned out to be a disaster. So i agree with Dunst actually, and probably she was the only one in the press conference that showed her reaction instead of laughing to von Trier&#039;s &quot;jokes&quot;. </p>
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